RED MK2 , Reg 16002
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terrytc said:
You don't need to know a vehicle when you can see pics as clear as these. Sorry if I've upset anyone with my post above, but there are a few bits that just aren't right for this one.
Oh, and I didn't say it was a reshell - did you not notice the question mark?????
As a relatively new member to the forum, this is the first time I've commented about a car for sale here too. Oh well, I'll know not to another time.
Steve 155C
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I don't think there is any problem with people posting constructive comments about what may or may not be correct (in their opinion), this may just stop someone getting turned over.
Now if people just turn around and post comments like "that cars a piece of s@@t" then that isn't on.
Now if people just turn around and post comments like "that cars a piece of s@@t" then that isn't on.
Steve 155C
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This car has been up for sale quite a few times over the last 5 years.
Here's some previous posts about it:
http://lotuscortina.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=718&highlight=16002
http://lotuscortina.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1158&highlight=16002
http://lotuscortina.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=733&highlight=16002
Here's some previous posts about it:
http://lotuscortina.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=718&highlight=16002
http://lotuscortina.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=1158&highlight=16002
http://lotuscortina.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=733&highlight=16002
andy spain
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Same reg though ,16002??
Robert
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The car i sold which looks very much like this car, went to scotland about 3 years ago and what made me think it was my car is where the badges are located wrong on the rear wings as it had two new ones fitted before i had the car painted and they had been put in the wrong place, could be wrong. My point was i find it very sad that a car can be called pulled about and made to look wrong, just from some pictures. It happens with every that comes up for sale. Its who can spot the wrong bit on a car, gets the gold star !!
Lotus Outlaws
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are we talking about s2 servo and wrong washer bag as possible reshell or have i missed something same person implied my car kec was so wrong because it had white door tops the car must have been ringed i guess . i bet if a certain person had have bought this to add to his collection or selling it it would probably be the best mk2 in the world and the talk of reshell would be out of the question.Steve 155C said:
Lotus Outlaws
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terrytc said:
i got tortured when i put mine for sale putts you off selling cars on this site. got unit full of lotus cortinas n more in storage i would not even post pictures any more ,shame as i was trying to contribe to the site.
cabriolet2
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I feel sad there are all these bad vibes,the great thing I found in the LCR was that there was no real caustic remarks about 'incorrect ' parts or even a concours prize at the annual get togther as (and still is ) the members choice of vehicle that grabs them that day.People were just enthusiastic about seeing another survivor and if certain items were incorrect it was probably due to genuine reasons of part availability or the failiure of body shops to put things back as they should.
The main two things that have influence a little change are ,one value of cars(I remember when people wanted to know how fast the car would go ..not the value) and two, because of values some cars have been dressed to appear like the genuine item , anything 'incorrect' is picked upon imediately .I think it is all too easy to make comments which appear negative on a faceless internet site and in turn easy to take these comments at face value I like to think that any comment made is not to offend......right I 'm getting off my soap box
The main two things that have influence a little change are ,one value of cars(I remember when people wanted to know how fast the car would go ..not the value) and two, because of values some cars have been dressed to appear like the genuine item , anything 'incorrect' is picked upon imediately .I think it is all too easy to make comments which appear negative on a faceless internet site and in turn easy to take these comments at face value I like to think that any comment made is not to offend......right I 'm getting off my soap box
I've only just scanned this thread but it is a topic which affects all old cars and their respective clubs and owners. Just how far can we stray from 'ORIGINAL'? (I've used this theme on other sites as well)
Those who compete will know that a total replica ia acceptable for national/international historic competition provided it is built to original specification. The FIA issue Historic Technical Passports (HTP) to such cars and there are national equivalents issued by the MSA. A car does not need a continuous history to qualify.
DVLA simply do not understand the vagaries of keeping old cars on the road, continuous history and the like and they rely on input from reputable cars clubs when considering claims on original numbers or period numbers.
What is important is the integrity of the car's history. All cars are susceptible to slowly becoming ugly, inefficient and perhaps even dangerous. What about the slowly rotting shell? What about the pressed steel suspension components? What about the seat belt mounting plates, quietly rotting away? And it’s not just the steel components. What about the worn-out shock absorbers, sagging springs and ‘bushed’ bushes? What about the dodgy electrical components tired of a poor earth and years of use and neglect? All of these things, if we do not keep on top of them, conspire to make our lovely sports car a sad wreck and a poor example of the fine beast which left the factory all those years ago.
It seems to me that we have two choices. We either repair or change these components as and when necessary or we allow the car to deteriorate to the point where it is good only for a complete rebuild, the breakers yard and/or for sale as parts. As far as I am concerned the latter choice is unacceptable and one which must be avoided. So, on the grounds that the preferred option is always to keep the car in good condition, it is now a question of what we replace those parts with. The genuine factory component must be the preferred choice. If so, we may be able to claim that we have kept the car ‘original’. It’s a small step, however, from the factory fitted mild steel exhaust to the stainless competition variety – is this still an original car? How far can we go before we have a modified car? Does it matter if we paint the car a different colour, particularly if that colour was not an option from the factory? The endless list of factory options is a part of the problem. Who can say what is an original car?
And why should ‘natural development’ detract from the car’s provenance? Racing cars are a good illustration. Peter Warr (I was lucky enough to have dinner with him a few years ago) told me that during his many years running Team Lotus that he considers it extremely unlikely that any Lotus F1 car ever competed in the same configuration twice. One thing is for sure: if, say, a Lotus 72 came onto the market, its provenance, and bear in mind here that it may not have a single component left over from the original build, would be decided not on its configuration at the time of sale but on its racing history. So what about road cars?
Natural development is just as much the right of a road car as it is a racing car. It is the owner’s choice at the time which decides the route taken. Not everyone may approve of his choice but whatever he did or does the change is now part of that car’s history. A change of exhaust may not be seen as a significant change to the car but re-sheling with a 'copy' shell certainly will be. The question is, does it matter? Well, of course it does, but why?
Well, first of all it’s important to the owner because it was his choice for his car. Secondly it will matter to any prospective purchaser of the car for he will want to know exactly what it is he is buying. It is not a question of whether changing a car’s configuration is right or wrong it is more a question of whether the result is good or bad. It is a matter of history, and history matters.
No doubt there are many of you who would never buy anything other than an ‘original’ car with only the correct parts (and good luck for I don't think you'll find one!). And no doubt there are many of you who would much rather have a recent replica or some other exciting development of the theme. Whatever your views, be proud of your car and its history. Only do things to it which are good and either maintain its originality or improve it in some way. Most importantly keep good records for knowing ‘what’ a car is can be much more enjoyable if you know ‘how’ it got to be like it.
Let’s keep them on the road, keep them good, and keep detailed records. With a full history, everything can be ‘original’ and for all the right reasons even if it is different to the car which rolled out of the factory. If you don’t need to hide or cheat on provenance then the car is a good one.
When cheating on the provenance of car is used to make money then THAT is totally wrong and must be stamped out.
Continuous History is what matters. All IMHO, of course.
Those who compete will know that a total replica ia acceptable for national/international historic competition provided it is built to original specification. The FIA issue Historic Technical Passports (HTP) to such cars and there are national equivalents issued by the MSA. A car does not need a continuous history to qualify.
DVLA simply do not understand the vagaries of keeping old cars on the road, continuous history and the like and they rely on input from reputable cars clubs when considering claims on original numbers or period numbers.
What is important is the integrity of the car's history. All cars are susceptible to slowly becoming ugly, inefficient and perhaps even dangerous. What about the slowly rotting shell? What about the pressed steel suspension components? What about the seat belt mounting plates, quietly rotting away? And it’s not just the steel components. What about the worn-out shock absorbers, sagging springs and ‘bushed’ bushes? What about the dodgy electrical components tired of a poor earth and years of use and neglect? All of these things, if we do not keep on top of them, conspire to make our lovely sports car a sad wreck and a poor example of the fine beast which left the factory all those years ago.
It seems to me that we have two choices. We either repair or change these components as and when necessary or we allow the car to deteriorate to the point where it is good only for a complete rebuild, the breakers yard and/or for sale as parts. As far as I am concerned the latter choice is unacceptable and one which must be avoided. So, on the grounds that the preferred option is always to keep the car in good condition, it is now a question of what we replace those parts with. The genuine factory component must be the preferred choice. If so, we may be able to claim that we have kept the car ‘original’. It’s a small step, however, from the factory fitted mild steel exhaust to the stainless competition variety – is this still an original car? How far can we go before we have a modified car? Does it matter if we paint the car a different colour, particularly if that colour was not an option from the factory? The endless list of factory options is a part of the problem. Who can say what is an original car?
And why should ‘natural development’ detract from the car’s provenance? Racing cars are a good illustration. Peter Warr (I was lucky enough to have dinner with him a few years ago) told me that during his many years running Team Lotus that he considers it extremely unlikely that any Lotus F1 car ever competed in the same configuration twice. One thing is for sure: if, say, a Lotus 72 came onto the market, its provenance, and bear in mind here that it may not have a single component left over from the original build, would be decided not on its configuration at the time of sale but on its racing history. So what about road cars?
Natural development is just as much the right of a road car as it is a racing car. It is the owner’s choice at the time which decides the route taken. Not everyone may approve of his choice but whatever he did or does the change is now part of that car’s history. A change of exhaust may not be seen as a significant change to the car but re-sheling with a 'copy' shell certainly will be. The question is, does it matter? Well, of course it does, but why?
Well, first of all it’s important to the owner because it was his choice for his car. Secondly it will matter to any prospective purchaser of the car for he will want to know exactly what it is he is buying. It is not a question of whether changing a car’s configuration is right or wrong it is more a question of whether the result is good or bad. It is a matter of history, and history matters.
No doubt there are many of you who would never buy anything other than an ‘original’ car with only the correct parts (and good luck for I don't think you'll find one!). And no doubt there are many of you who would much rather have a recent replica or some other exciting development of the theme. Whatever your views, be proud of your car and its history. Only do things to it which are good and either maintain its originality or improve it in some way. Most importantly keep good records for knowing ‘what’ a car is can be much more enjoyable if you know ‘how’ it got to be like it.
Let’s keep them on the road, keep them good, and keep detailed records. With a full history, everything can be ‘original’ and for all the right reasons even if it is different to the car which rolled out of the factory. If you don’t need to hide or cheat on provenance then the car is a good one.
When cheating on the provenance of car is used to make money then THAT is totally wrong and must be stamped out.
Continuous History is what matters. All IMHO, of course.
Peter Meyer
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Well said!!!!
We do need to keep the negative out of our forum if it's possible and originality is an evocative subject.
I know some amongst us are extremely passionate about originality(me included) and any suggestion that a car is anything but correct will bring out the cannons but sometimes it doesn't hurt for some things to be pointed out and this is where the experts are!
Just remember, there is a fine line between opinion and fact! and memory is not always 100% correct tool!
We do need to keep the negative out of our forum if it's possible and originality is an evocative subject.
I know some amongst us are extremely passionate about originality(me included) and any suggestion that a car is anything but correct will bring out the cannons but sometimes it doesn't hurt for some things to be pointed out and this is where the experts are!
Just remember, there is a fine line between opinion and fact! and memory is not always 100% correct tool!
sidpf1972
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the reason i sold my 63 lc was becasuse when i went to a meet or agm there was allways some old fart who would say crap like you have the wrong tyreson/or the wrong seat covers on or the wrong interior light in.i purcased my car from a guy in exeter called trevor im sure the right people reading this know who he his,and looking at the cars he had at the time im sure mine was a good one.anyway back to the point stop slagging of other peoples motors and check if your own car is REAL
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