MK1 Lotus cortina project for sale by member

Steve,
I guess its your car so you tell me (Steve Phillips in ebay listing).
When I read the advert it sounds like a log book for sale and the add lacks credibility(IMHO).

Star buy is tounge in cheek.

If you really want to sell it get the photos up there. Get it authenticated by Rick/Andy.

There seems to be a good market for good projects.

Thanks,
Graham
 
of course you are right to pick that up "Discretion assured " is wrong to say , my mistake , the car needs a ground up restoration , a term in the normal classic car world is acceptable language but not it seems in Lotus Cortina club world , I mean that not all owners want to show off their car in a sorry state , ok , may be with a picture collection at a show of its restoration afterwards yes , but not a full naked frontal on the internet before its started, thats what I mean , I also mean I wont gossip about its condition afterwards , when it sold its non of my business but as a Cortina Lotus enthusiast I would love to see it restored and on the street for others to see
 
Steve I think that Graham makes a valid point, that you have no pictures on your Ebay ad, yet you are asking for £12500 for what, a car that needs a “ground up restoration” this could mean a multitude of things, without seeing exactly what state the car is in and having the chance to look for the tell tale Lotus Cortina refinements, it does beg the question exactly what is for sale. The "Discretion assured” remark does give off the wrong impression that there is something that you will keep between yourself and the buyer and no one else.

In your post here you say “the car needs a ground up restoration, a term in the normal classic car world is acceptable language but not it seems in Lotus Cortina club world,” don’t quite know what you mean by that, with any “ground up restoration” of any car, you need to be able to see what the task is, before committing to the project.

In your Ebay Ad you state that you are a Lotus Cortina Club member, why do you think it is necessary to inform prospective buyers of this?

You have not informed the register of any details on this car, so we cannot comment on the validity of your statement that all “its paperwork is all in order”

Taking all of the above in to consideration you can understand how people make there own conclusions about the car

The LCR was formed to keep a register of as many LCs as possible, if members are unwilling to forward details to the Register then the Register cannot function as it was intended
 
Rick said:
You have not informed the register of any details on this car, so we cannot comment on the validity of your statement that all “its paperwork is all in order”

Taking all of the above in to consideration you can understand how people make there own conclusions about the car
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Yes of course I agree with Grahams valid points, however there will only be one buyer for this car and I repeat that its available for viewing by a genuine interested party , it been a rally car probably in the seventies looking at its equipment , so that should really say it all , a phone call to ask about it would reveal more however I repeat I do not see the sence in parading its pictures to a load of people who wont be buying it , an act that may affect its future value , Its paperwork is "validated by me " , by the power of 36 years of buying , selling and racing the things, now if someone needed an informed second opinion of course they can ask you ( and for a rookie I would suggest they contact you but its not rookies spending £15 to 20 K on a restoration of an old Ford ) and if I am wrong then I would gladly refund them ,of course they dont need to because there is enough information about to verify the documents themselves, there are many people that dont want to show the condition of their pre restored cars and I can mention a couple of very expensive cars that have no record of its pre restored condition.

The register is not public like it used to be and I agree with that with they way technology has gone forward so who is the information for ? Its not complete and never will be , I would like an up to date copy for interest but I wont get one , my cars are not on it ( maybe one is but I am not sure ) and dont need to be, they dont need validating , as I get older and sell one then its up to the new owner if they wish to let you know the details they can , and how they go about its restoration is up to them .

I mention club member to let someone know that I am an enthusiast , a normal thing to do , it also lets new enthusiasts know there is a club of some sort to join .

If someone wants to know about the tell tale refinements they can ask me no problem .

regards Steve
 
Steve,
Good luck with your sale but its real hard right now to attract buyers.

Thats why projects are so appealing as you can get in slowly at a reduced initial cost assuming everythings above board with the project.

By not posting photos,or providing independant authentication (£50 when I last looked + expenses) you really are limiting your market in my opinion.
Telling people to imagine its condition and then saying that its not worth the money is interesting.
Do you really want to sell it? (I can keep telling my wife mines on ebay)

I dont know why but people just like to see what they are getting into before travelling,committing a day or so to go look. They will weigh up whether its worth their while,so to make that decision they need information. I would say this holds for someone who's more than 2 hrs away from you by car.
I have spent countless hours sending photos,speaking to people recently when trying to sell my car,but the only person who's come to see it bar Rick was a chap from NewZealand who was visiting his father in Scotland back in June,and I have provided information,authentication and photos.

I guess everyone has there own style to sell something and I hope you get a sale.

Interesting in that we both have cars for sale in 2 totally different ways.

Graham
 
Steve , whats the harm in putting up pictures but hiding the chassis number and reg number. That way interested parties can get an idea of what is for sale and make their mind up without waisting your time on a phone call and no one except you and the buyer will know if the latest resto to hit the street next year was your old car.
 
I do agree its a difficult market at the moment , if it was 7K it would sell on the day a few times over so I am just trying to get the best out of it to make it worth selling but if it dosent sell I will keep it and it will as my other cars remain private to me, your car is a perfect example of what I mean , looks a good car but people are very quick to make critisms of cars and then they get stuck with it,everybody talking about it does not help, your market is not in the club.

The thing is there are many people dreaming of that barn find and would buy it but the cars can be worth good money finished so a barn find will always be overpriced if it wasnt you who found it , look at the Twin Cam escort today on E bay , makes your car look cheap.

I may have a Japanese buyer for your car , PM me and I will offer it to him for you

of course its overpriced you can have much more fun for less money but owners on this site need to realise that good cars are being sold worldwide to collectors to park next to their GT40 or whatever, not in the UK , and then they are not driven ever , the club will deminish because Mr Millionaire will not be joining and dosnt care about cars at shows in fields , eventually all the nice cars owners will sell their cars , and they will ask the best current market price , therefore the car will go to a wealthy enthusiast not the grass roots people like the guys at the pub meets I went to in the 80s

My car will sell , maybe not this week but I am not desparate , the real reason for its sale is that my wish was to end up with one 63 road car and a Mustang convertible , the Mustang came about 3 years early last week so something has to give , I am deep into a 66 historic race car POO ***D ( there you are I let something slip , not like me ) which I expect to be as good as they get and its at the no turning back stage , I have a lovely 63 road car and one of the oldest cars built being repainted and a gartrac 66 GT Rallycar , I cant keep everything and I must say one week of the Mustang (1965 californian rust free painted once and although it dosnt need it every part is available new or used including the shell and its half the price of your car and twice the fun ) really does beat driving the Cortina
 
Steve

the point is like it or not its worth more money anonymous thats a fact and I need the best price for it to go towards my gold plated race car or it stays where it is untill I can do something with it .

Lets go back to 1978 , Motoring News , For sale Lotus Cortina , Needs work

call the number , drive 200 miles , buy it or disapointed , either way thats the way it went , oh for the good old days !!!

you dont see people with Cat D cars showing a picture of it crashed when they have repaired it do you and you never see a cortina advertised with a before and now picture , if the before isnt out there it isnt out there , you have my number call me if you want to look at it , you wont waste my time calling me , I will tell you as it is ,
regards steve
 
Thanks Steve for some good points. It looks like you sell cars for a living so have obviously found a formula that works for you.

I am in the same "something must give " boat as you having just bought a MkIV AC CRS cobra which I drove up from London in 2 weeks ago and would like to make some room in a packed garage but can wait for the right buyer that is unlikley to be in the register(most have nice cars already)or even in 2011.

I realised that the register was not likley to solicit any buyers at the price I wanted in June and in discussion with another member selling a car but an external person with perhaps little knowledge but just the desire needs reassurance before spending lots of money. Aberdeen is also a long way for most people so my circumstances mean I have to be openly transparent,even if it means discussiion on my car openly.

There are however register buyers for a project I believe.

Graham
 
flyinghorse said:
Steve,
I guess its your car so you tell me (Steve Phillips in ebay listing).
When I read the advert it sounds like a log book for sale and the add lacks credibility(IMHO).

Star buy is tounge in cheek.

If you really want to sell it get the photos up there. Get it authenticated by Rick/Andy.

There seems to be a good market for good projects.

Thanks,
Graham
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After reading this first comment and then the last comment it seems to me that you have jumped to conclusions but now you know abit more about steve phillips, you seem to be changing your attitude, its the same how you've commented about budgie this, and that, before you make what i considor rude comments about peoples cars or who or what they are about i suggest you do your homework first :D
 
Who ever Lotus Outlaws is its called discussion.
Steve posted up his add on Ebay with no heads up on here which might have been useful,even gotten a sale in even more anonymous circumstances,but thats his perogative.

An add in QB would have been even better and back to the good old days.

Its true car adds in the public domain can get blasted here,but usually with good reason-Log books,reshells,false claims etc where adds look fishy or something is known to be untrue/incorrect. Thats why I posted Steve's add up as it was bizzare in my opinion and have yet to see anything that would change my mind.
I dont fancy a trip to Wigan to do my homework.

As for Budgie his record on here speaks for its self,(As does mine) and he popped up on your gallery post,I merely repeated his previous comments,and yours stating he was a customer and noted the discrepancy,so thanks for clearing that up.

If you want to be up front why not say you are trade,give a name and address and not be accused of being misleading which is what has happened to some "trade" posters in the past.

Graham
 
I have changed the heading on the thread as it appears its a real car for sale by one of the register members and not just a log book as I initially suspected.

Graham
 
flyinghorse said:
Who ever Lotus Outlaws is its called discussion.
Steve posted up his add on Ebay with no heads up on here which might have been useful,even gotten a sale in even more anonymous circumstances,but thats his perogative.

An add in QB would have been even better and back to the good old days.

Its true car adds in the public domain can get blasted here,but usually with good reason-Log books,reshells,false claims etc where adds look fishy or something is known to be untrue/incorrect. Thats why I posted Steve's add up as it was bizzare in my opinion and have yet to see anything that would change my mind.
I dont fancy a trip to Wigan to do my homework.

As for Budgie his record on here speaks for its self,(As does mine) and he popped up on your gallery post,I merely repeated his previous comments,and yours stating he was a customer and noted the discrepancy,so thanks for clearing that up.

If you want to be up front why not say you are trade,give a name and address and not be accused of being misleading which is what has happened to some "trade" posters in the past.

Graham
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People on here can see that you are now back pedalling because whats you initially thought was dodgey is actually a proper car, as for budgies past, what is it that he's actually done so wrong, apart from travelling the country buying and selling some nice classic cars and just happens to be good at it, is it just a case of because you cant sell your car, you dont like to see anybody else selling theirs, my advice is get your car to budgie and get him to sell it for you as i thought proper nice mk1s get snapped up straight away? :lol:
 
Malcolm Bird (Budgie) offered to buy my car for £30k a few weeks ago,and gave me a story about only being able to afford £25k,and he would put £5k on his credit card.

****Picture removed by Steve 155C*****

His mobile number is the same as at Muscle car technologies. He said he was a club member.

I also offered it to him for a fair price.

You guys are a dissapointment.

Graham
 
I have corrected this post because my initial observations were wrong,and Steve has supplied his point of view which I respect,right or wrong.
I have no problem saying I made a mistake or jumped to a wrong conclusion.

Graham
 
Tim , your spot on , its about the cheapest fun you can have without buying one, still not mastered the handshake !!.

I also agree with the Outlaw chap there has been back pedaling which is appreciated but it should not need to happen and I am very dissapointed that graham should post what should be private information on the internet of his e bay transactions, in some situations he would be wide open to litigation, this information was his and the senders , completley wrong to do that and with regards to my car for sale and my others you can see why I advertise it as I do .

And as for the moaning about trade people then that has to stop , its like a golfer winging about the golf shop

For me its ahobby but for the malcoms out there its their day job so leave them to it

Unless you have the trade facilites or a real gem its rare to get the best price for your classic car and you cannot by pass the auction or dealers and most dont work for less than 10 k a car


Graham has now shot his bolt on that car because any prospective UK buyer that comes to the register will see it and probably not bother unless it comes cheap

I rest my case

Next please !!
 
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